Must have been after #66; she still has the solid toe rail with the scuppers at mid-cockpit.
Must have been after #66; she still has the solid toe rail with the scuppers at mid-cockpit.
We're getting closeWe can now say that the change was made after #66 and by #74.
338 is open thru the taffrail also. But the end is partially raised with a wedge of what for all the world looks like gelcoat. Any water left on the deck puddles there at the end of the toe rail and of course eventually left a brown stain.
Do other Ariels have this added feature of not allowing the deck to drain fully even tho it is open all the way thru? Was the 'wedge added to prevent a drip stain from occuring on the transom?
I would like to remove the gelcoat wedge filler and fair the run right off the back of the boat. I was thinking that the removal would be easy and a little sharp lip could be epoxied in place to create a drip edge that wouldn't want to run down the transom. Any thoughts on this?
Another draining problem is the far corners of the cockpit seats where on 338 there is evidence of water collecting. Has anybody come up with a solution for this?
[I just had a minor inspiration in that I saw the fix for the aft corners of the seats. There are off the shelf grey tube electrical sweeps which with appropriate collars and strate bits could be led from a hole in the corner down along the lazarette bulkhead and thru the cockpit seat side with a hole like the lid drains that are already there. Boont Amber Ale, Anderson Valley] Anybody done anything like this or even found it necessary? I'm also not sure that PVC and epoxy like to get connected?
Last edited by ebb; 08-05-2002 at 07:24 PM.
The open end is for draining while sailing, not while at the dock
As for water on the cockpit seats, I use cushons. Bottom Siders are great and they give me the inch I need to see over the coachroof.
Thanks Bill. I can see now on the large copy of the boat lines right in front of me here on the wall that there is forsooth a perky rise to Ariel's butt. The deck certainly rises at the stern But what explains the apparant afterthought of that partial filler in the waterway? Is it just my 338? Why bother putting it there? Maybe Pearson goofed again on poor little 338?
I don't see what 338 has in your photo. I'm just curious. I'll leave it in until after inspection Monday. And I wonder if others have the same weirdness. My filler looks factory. I think it's toerail plaque.
Last edited by ebb; 08-05-2002 at 11:12 PM.
Okay, it's raining today so the end of winter must be getting closer. Thanks to Tim L. we've solved our scupper problem, it was so simple I'm embarassed I didn't think of it myself. Now what I'm looking for is general imput from all of you captains out there with factory installed scuppers. What is the measurment from the stern to the location of your scupper AND what is the measurement from the stern to where the water actually pools? General consensus will be where I'll cut the hole being I willn't (nice huh)float the boat before scupper installation takes place. Thanks in advance, Tony G
By way of an update on this (seemingly) strange filling between the ends of the 'taffrail' and the bitter end of the toe rails. The wedges were cracked on 338 -so I took umbrage (actually a stanley utility chisel) and removed the precious uglies while waiting this evening for the fairing to set on the topsides.
And I can report eggzactly why they were there. They were there to cover the crack because the deck molding wouldn't go over the stern in these two spots because, as you know, the deck is butt joined to the hull. Also, the s.s. trim piece that covers the join across the stern would have to be in 3 pieces to allow free exit for the water. So naturally Pearson put that gel coat riser in there - for crying out loud - to cover the crack, ease the trim piece, and create two nice little marina algae puddles to form while we are away to earn enough to buy a sponge and pay the berth fee.
I took the old #49 Nicholson file and sawed away at the rear end until it looked fair. Had to file down into the stern Water fall off no puddle. Then I bent down to deck level and eyeballed up the channel - and loe-and-behold saw that the whole DECK aft of the cockpit lazarette bulkhead drops out of FAIR, That is, mind you, while sighting up the waterways deck thru the newly 'lowered' channel.
Well, warn't no bloody surprise to me. I've noticed these last two years various bulges AND crookedness that are indicative of a lack of PATIENCE and IMPETUOUSNESS on the part of the assemblers at the Pearson Plant. For crying-out-loud you would think the deck would be fair. NOPE? NOPE!!!
I can see why GEOFF had to RAISE the starboard side of his stern! For crying out loud.
Well it ain't no big deal to add a patch of exmat up inside the tafrail along with the mat that originally glued the stern to the transom. That is, if you are one to take the wedgies out But if you are very creative you could clean out the stained fiberglass mat a bit (because water DID get in there, naturally!) plug the zit FROM THE TOP and fake the gell coat with epoxy goop and a bit of universal color! The trim piece will require a little work. Don't know if it is absolutely necessary to have the trim going across. Maybe round it some abd touch it up with the hull paint. And then you can just sit back and watch the water run off the STERN.
Fair waterways to ya, mate.
Last edited by ebb; 03-23-2004 at 05:55 PM.
Hi. I haven't been a regular visitor so I've missed some of this discussion. I am redoing my decks on Ariel #278 and am now dealing with the aft corner toerail scuppers and wedges.
Do I understand all this correctly? The railing was changed (about #70) to allow the aft part of the deck to drain properly. Then the wedges were put in to block drainage from these scuppers so water draining out wouldn't leave drip stains on the transom. Thus leaving the original problem, standing water on the deck.
My boat has scuppers abeam the cockpit seat hatches and smaller scuppers several inches forward of the wedges. Do you think these are these factory installed? Someone posted a picture with scuppers (I think on a commander) but with a solid toerail. Do I have a hybrid? A slot in the toerail and aft scuppers.
Maybe I'll remove the wedges and leave the scuppers. Then there will be some water going out the scuppers and some out the toerail.
Anybody with any other thoughts?
Thanks
CLEAR THRU WATERWAYS
The extra scuppers drain into the lazarette? They were probably drilled there by a DFO.
As I suggest in the post just previous to yours, it is no big deal to take the wedges out that are between the taffrail and the end of the toerail. IMCO they were put there to get the stern s,s half round trim piece to cover the seam. Probably the wedgies were added after the half round by the factory to make the boat presentable.
A couple of taps and the stuff popped right out of 338. Then the scuppers were carved down to deck level. That turns out to be lower than the deck/hull seam. Then you just fill whatever hole you might uncover and touch up with deck paint. The seam is covered inside with mat. You may go thru it a little, but just fill it with a ready made epoxy, it is not a strengh issue.
The s.s half round can be easily shortened a bit and put right back. It'll look like factory, and is probably the way they should have done it in the first place. The remaining exposed seam at the end of the toerail can be cleaned out of any filler and filled as well. Smoothed. sanded and painted it'll look great.
Last edited by ebb; 06-11-2004 at 03:55 PM.
One consideration
[size=3]I was making a post on Sailfar.net about water collection, and included something I had noticed about the deck scuppers on the Ariel.[/size]
[/size][size=3]Carl Alberg was a genus.His design of my boat included a ‘water collection system’ which many are not aware of. You can simply plug the midships deck drains, and then the rain water will all run aft to the drains at the stern. These drains are conveniently plumbed to two length’s of flexible hose that are just the perfect length to run back into the cockpit through the cutout in the lazy-rat (outboard models) or just into the lazy-rat (inboard) to fill your Jugs. Now, I am not thinking this water would be best for drinking, cause even if you let it rain for a few minutes before you start to capture the run off you are still going to be taking the salty run off that has been washing down your boat….. but if it rains long enough, or you are in desperate need it would sure beat drinking sea water. This would be the ideal opportunity to capture water for general cooking and washing chores though.
[size=3]Now, did he design it this way or did it just work out.... I'll give him the benifit of the doubt.[/size]
[size=3]Link to thread on SailFar.net What to do about water?
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Ariel 231 has gone through the same issues covered above related to the fairing of the cut out in the toe rail at the transom and the high likelyhood of standing water on the deck aft. During the refit, we elected to add a pair of extra deck drains that run forward to join the cockpit drain system. My father in law had this same issue with his pearson triton. Our solution is shown below:
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