Eyebrow

[Tim Mertinooke]

Has anyone added an eyebrow to their cabin trunk? I think it would add a nice touch and I'm thinking about a mahogany one for A-24.

[commanderpete]

I think it would look cool.

Here's some pictures of a Rhodes Meridian with an eyebrow

http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?t=1281&highlight=meridian

I'm just wondering if there is enough room on top of the windows of an Ariel to give the eyebrow some good definition

[Tim Mertinooke]

"I think it would look cool."

I fully agree!

I'm sure the "traditional police" are going to chime in, but I am eventually replacing the windows and front ports with bronze round ports from ABI or Mariners hardware. The 8" ones have an exterior OD of 11". This will affect the looks of the cabin trunk, but for me it is a look I prefer.

http://www.marinershardware.com/images/Ports/PortFMRoundBz328x304.gif


I have worked out a configuration that allows two of the 8" and two 4" so there will be four on each side. I know this is controvertial for the Ariel as the windows are sacred to some and were penned by Alberg himself, but this is my plan and the extent to which I will modify the exterior of the boat. The idea spawned from my intent for bronze ports no matter the boat I ended up with and from the cover of Don Casey's "This Old Boat". Truly inspirational looking at the cover in my mind. Traditionalists be kind A-24 will be top notch when I'm done with her and I promise to keep the original frams for antiquity if someone in the future so deems them to be put back...

http://boatbooks.co.nz/Maintenance/this_old_boat.jpg

[ebb]

The eyebrow would look great on a Commander. For sure.
You are right that Ariel windows are quite tall and are close to the curve in the dog house. To be successful the trim would have to be on the verticle sides, right? Which is very close to the window frames.

Why not put a line of tape on it, and then photograph it like the pic C'pete posted? I was told once that if you squinted at a proposal like that you'd get a better idea of the proportions and all. I like the whip in the line dipping from dog house to coach roof. Kind a bow tie.

I'm a claustrophobe. I'd think twice about removing all that light and airyness!:eek: . Take another comparitive look at small boat interiors (on YachtWorld). Also, that hardware is weightware too. I don't know what the costs are, but someone here created a safety grid over his lights inside. If you are doing it for that reason. Of course the protest may be moot if those lights are fairly large and OPEN.

[bill@ariel231]

before you commit to round windows (even 8"), one suggestion.. you might want to mock them up in cardboard over the current big windows to get an idea how much light you will have below (and a look at the appearance from the outside).

question... would the 8" windows open?

[Tim Mertinooke]

"before you commit to round windows (even 8"), one suggestion.. you might want to mock them up in cardboard over the current big windows to get an idea how much light you will have below (and a look at the appearance from the outside)."

There will probably be a difference in the amount of light, but I'm not sure how much yet because I am also adding the two static bronze ports in the companionway bulkhead which both should help and add another angle for which light to enter. I spent a large amount of time last week working it out. I covered everything with white roll paper then with cardboard cutouts placed the four into position so that the asthetics worked and location didn't interfere with the main cabin bulkhead. I am very satisfied with the results and in the end will have a very seaworthy setup that allows for ample light and lots of fresh air. I considered oval ports, and did some mock-ups of that, but round is near and dear to me and I like the look. I'm positive that some will think I'm a heretic and strongly disagree, but like I said before, A-24 is in good hands and will be a gem once I'm done with her while retaing her Arielness.



"question... would the 8" windows open?"

Yes, all eight will open letting in the precious air that only temps me now through crazed plexi-glass. This will be expensive (about $2000), but will be well worth it in my mind. I do not however plan on being to this point for about two years. I will most likely do this in stages where I fill the areas and cutout the rough openings then cut plexi to fit each opening, followed by a mahogany ring that covers the bolts and edges of the plexi. At that point it will be ready to accept the bronze ports simply by removing the mahogany frames, unbolting the plexi, and fittingin the new ones. I added two opening bronze ports to my typhoon already and can't believe the differnce in asthetics and function.

[Tim Mertinooke]

In the end it comes down to preference for bronze, asthetics, and function. I'm not out to change a classic Alberg design, but slightly modify it to meet my needs and preferences.

Ebb, having spent a weekend with my wife and our 4-year-old son on our Ty, I am well aware of what a small cabin with low light can be like. the best part is that we had a blast :)

[CapnK]

Here's a quicky, just to give you an idea of what it would look like with a eyebrow, standard windows...

[CapnK]

...and with round ports...

[CapnK]

And some input, from an ex-eyebrow owner: ;)

They are a pain to keep up, you will invariably wind up with some varnish on the cabin trunk.

But I do like the look. Maybe doing it with a strip of applique/decal of some sort, that way it would be zero maintenance...

[bill@ariel231]

while you are cape doryfying.... have you looked at Spartan Bronze? the square ports are a signature cary dory item (spartan PN # P560).

http://spartanmarine.com/catalog.html

[mbd]

http://boatbooks.co.nz/Maintenance/this_old_boat.jpg
My wife bought me that book one Christmas, and has probably regretted it since. We almost bought (as in made an offer, had a survey done) a Cheoy Lee Frisco Flyer a few years later. I like the Folk boatness of the Flyer a little more than the Cadet. Then I found Tim L.'s Glissando restoration... :D

Eyebrows - very cool! Also thought about doing sometime myself.

Alternate ports - ditto that - I've also thought about it many times. But , these days my limited funds are going elsewhere. :D But it'll be cool to see someone do it! A nice alternative to the bolted on lexan ports of the same shape IMHO.

The round ports look great on a Commander! See Rob Lemaster's c-105 (http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussion/showthread.php?t=858) thread.

[ebb]

Permit a jest. I think the round ports give the Ariel's and Commander's a very Capatain Nemo look. Are you thinking of submarineing, fellas? Comeon: looks stodgy, doesn't it?

[Tim Mertinooke]

"Permit a jest."

Jest permitted.

"looks stodgy, doesn't it?"

ut sulum suus own

[ebb]

Non vereor ne illam me amare hic potuerit resciscere - quippe haud etiam quicquam inepte feci.

[mbd]

...Comeon: looks stodgy, doesn't it?I would say "shippy". :D

Although, I would also add, I would lean towards Bill's oval portals for the big deadlights were I to do it myself... :rolleyes:

I'll leave the Latin quipping for you "high-brow" types... :)

[ebb]

Vah! Denuone latine loquebar?
Me ineptum.
Interdum modo elabitur.
Navigare necesse est,
nit volumnabilus!

Oval lights under eyebrows for sure.

[CapnK]

Actually, after looking at the above 'simulations', round ports look a *lot* better on the Ariel than I thought they would. They look great on the Commander. However, I still personally like that the shape of the OEM Ariel deadlights visually elongate the tall cabin trunk. That's something I am trying to preserve for the look as well as for the amount of light it lets in during the winter months, when I can't get enough daylight it seems. :)

My "wish for" is the two opening ports the Triton has up on the trunk facing forward, just behind the mast. I'd love to integrate that into my boat... :)

ut sulum suus own indeed... :D

[ebb]

Kurt, you are a traditionalist, as defined here!
As a romantic though, I have an image stuck in the mind of a big swath of morning sun angled across a table with a chart on it and a cup of coffee. The skipper is planning the next leg of his voyage. The important thing for me is the amount of sunlight inside the cabin. Non sum pisces.;)

BY THE WAY, KURT: YOUR SIMULATIONS ARE BOSS!

[Tim Mertinooke]

Ebb wrote:
"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur"


Tim says:
I couldn't agree more!


Case in point:
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?

[Tim Mertinooke]

http://www.sailboatstuff.com/cb_RndPorthole.html

Here is a price list for the ports mentioned earlier:

Four 8" (11" od) bronze opening ports
Four 4" (6 7/8" od) bronze opening ports

$1400 @ $350 ea.
+ 920 @ $230 ea.
$2320 (shipping paid)

Pricey, but these will be the crowning jewels someday...

http://www.sailboatstuff.com/images/AB131012LG.jpg

[ebb]

Sterca sancta! Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis.

[mbd]

Oh geeze! How about this one? Google rules.

Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit.

[Tim Mertinooke]

http://www.rumrill.net/brian/pics/pics5/pics5/DarthVader/darth_vader_closeup.jpg



If you feel like looking at what some of my students did a few years back in their spare time with a picture they found of me, look here (http://www.mrmert.com/Adobe%20PDF/star%20wars.pdf).