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the F factor
Have just taken Manson Supreme & Boss website dimensions to Patt's copy world
where they zoomed the anchor pictures up to full size !
Boss anchors are definitely monsters. Next size up Supreme (35lb) still looks compact and tidy.
Boss does look like the Supreme rollbar was bent back into the plane of the fluke.
While the position of the shackles IN AIR are relatively the same in Boss and Supreme,
the Boss SHANK sports a TOO OBVIOUS elevator addition underneath the roller-stop 'whip curve'
The designer then leveled out the shank, making it horizontal because it couldn't be angled,
to get the shackle end in about the same position IN AIR (on the drawing board) as the Supreme.
But the 35lb Supreme shank from pin to whip curve is almost a match with the 25lb Boss.
If the two are sitting on their flukes side by side, their shackle pin holes are both 14" from the floor.
Not sure what to make of that. Are these anchors designed with one secret anchor roller in mind?
I'm having second thoughts about Boss. Maybe it DOES HAVE TO be limited to powerboat bows.
It is ponderous (looking). It has TOO huge a fluke. Even though the blade has mostly
the signature cylindrical profile, I'd guess the mass of fluke area will keep it from burying.
And if it does bury, it'll be a dog to get out of the bottom. Need tug supported comparison tests.
First Interest is to see if a size larger shank and whip-curve throat will fit the 25lb custom roller.
Just to see if in a pinch a 35lb Supreme can be launched and retrieved from a smaller roller
The 35lb Boss profile is out of the question! Its boxy sideways 'footprint' is 37.5" x 18"! HUGE.*
The 25lb Boss is VERY LARGE. a boxy 33" x 16". Compares with a 35lb Supreme, imco.
Didn't get plan views of the fluke enlarged, but I bet they'll look as big as manta-rays.
The Boss now seems ambiguous to me, while Supreme still looks confident & handsome.
So we'll paste the paper onto MDO and cut out the side view shapes. When I get the roller
back from Lux, we'll have a preview how a 25lb Boss might fit the Supreme roller. Or not.
The roll bar on the Supreme is seen by some cruisers as a trash, rock & weed catcher. Some
have had problems getting the Supreme to set. Or hauled it in with a load of crap caught on it.
Could have been Manson's impetus for designing the Boss. A revolutionary design that isn't working.
Designing away roll bars is good exercise. But I'm not sure Boss has the solution.
Manson has left themselves an open door for a next gen Supreme by assigning Boss to powerboats.
Been thinking a Next Gen Supreme (called Sovereign?) has a conical curvature in the fluke rather than cylindical.
That'll widen the rolling arch of the fluke - that nullifies the rollbar - at the back of the blade.
A cone radius from the spear-head tip to the foils at the rear of the fluke, will get it to slice in easy.
Cone radius blade gets wider as it gets larger making it easier than the pipe radius of Supreme to bury.
Bend the spear tip down off the skid just a skoch, giving the fluke a nudge in the right direction: IN.
The idea, of course, is to have an anchor unstable in every position except the one
that gets the fluke to slice immediately into real estate. So they better get on it!
Boss uses its wide fluke stance to roll itself upright. It's strange lofty shank acts like an elbow to push
the anchor upright, and the anchor is equally uncomfortable on its side and has to roll up
because of the deeply curved fluke. Boss needs some styling.
Anchors shouldn't try to be fashionable if they're not handy and unsuitable.
Maybe sailors are buying Boss powerboat anchors in an attempt to keep Manson honest?
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*35lb Supreme side profile is 27"x 16" with the angled shank making it look even less bulky.
The F factor is found in the dimensions of the Boss anchor from the M. website.
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Is it a PeteSmith-inspired attempt at pulling the wool: for Manson to advertise that Boss steel is Lloyds' register,
but the anchor itself does NOT have Lloyds SHHP certification? (Welders are Lloyd's certified)
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BENT ROLLERS
http://www.geoffschultz.org/2002 Sai...n/P6040586.jpg
More accessable famous anchor roller photo:
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ount-55743html
this is the address without google's edit (>>>.cruisersforum.>>>/forums/f118/building-an-anchor-mount-55743>>>)
Last edited by ebb; 11-29-2015 at 09:22 AM.
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