The album of Ariel #422

[Tony G]

Rock on Capn K! It is monumental to finally get to put something back into the boat isn't it? Why is it you have changed your mind about the manufactured sandwich?

And don't forget about the obligatory photos!!!!

Ironical as it is, I'm now down sizing and moving into totes and packs.

[CapnK]

Grassyness, Capt T! It feels great. It has been a long time comin'.

Re: the foam sandwich - basically it just comes down to time. I would have to make the sheets, then working with them would be like working with plywood, then they would need glassing on both sides.

Versus the planks - rough measure, cut, fit, scribe to exact size, trim, install.

Apparently, I am some kind of carpenters idjit. Trust me when I say about all I can handle warping my mind around is about 4" at a time of the complex shapes that are inside this boat. I've tried! I played with using sheet foam to make some of the interior stuff, and it just wouldn't come together. With the 1x4" planks, once I get just 1 of them in, I then have a straight line to start from, and it is pretty quick, easy, and painless then.

So that begs the question:

Can I still hang out here with you boatwork masters?

I'll post progress pics when it becomes noticeable.

Probably I'll have it figured out after a bit of doing it, but getting started is the thing.

[mbd]

Hey Kurt,

Thanks for the update. Nice work as always, and some pics too! Sure would love to see some "overall" pics of your current layout.

Questions/comments:
- Ordinarily, I wouldn't think twice about using a soft wood like pine if it's just furniture, but being that you're intending watertight compartments, do you think the individual boards are up to the task as far as durability and seal-ability? I guess you could glass the insides, but that seems like a lot more effort... It does look very nice though, kind of like Brave Heart!
- In the first pic above, it looks like a portable throne in the v-berth? Didn't you make an enclosed head in the after portion of the cabin?
- Finally, where the heck do you and the crew dogs sleep?? By my count, you've got the v-berth for storage, an aft enclosed head compartment, and a dinette...

[CapnK]

You could simulate an 'overall' picture on your boat, with a little work. First, distress the interior a bit. You know, remove some paint from random spots, take off cushion covers, cut out parts or all of various interior cabinetry work, and then scatter around a fair amount of what would seem to be junk. Afterwards, toss a hand grenade into the boat, and shut the companionway hatch.

When the smoke clears, what you see would probably fairly well approximate an 'overall' picture of Katie's interior at the moment.

I am saving *those* pictures until after the "prettying" is done.

Re: white pine - it is soft (it is also light), and I will be glassing the interior of the various compartments. Prior to that, if the arrangement works like I think it should, I will be edge gluing all the butt joints with Gorilla Glue, as well as the face of the horizontal members to the verticals. Foam will be going up against the hull, topped with (probably) 1/4" ply and a layer of glass (might do just glass though). The compartment walls will be bonded to the hull, the foam will go around them.

Unlike Brave Heart (I noticed that too), I am going to have a light colored interior. Also, I don't think the butt joins will be as noticeable. I wonder what wood they used...

Re: aft head - it worked, and is eminently do-able (Go, Franky!) (No pun intended ), but I am not doing it. The head will be in the forward part of the boat, I have not decided just where or how or whether to stay with a porta potty or a bucket or a composting system of some kind. Pics of what I am going to try to do WRT the head will be up in a few days, I think. I first had to build in the area.

Re: sleeping - having gone full circle and then some trying different arrangements , sleeping accommodations will be thus: big bed in the v-berth, convertible athwartships sea/company berth in the saloon. That's where I am bunking while working up front, although as you can see in the pic below, I can start sleeping forward to port tonight.

Saloon will have the galley-stuff aft, and two small setees (just large enough to seat 2 folks who get along well side-by-side) between the 'galley' and drawers/cabinets which will be up against the main bulkhead, on it's after side (like the OEM drawers). These will convert to the athwartship single sea berth.

I'll write up a comprehensive list of the myriad different ways I configured things belowdecks, along with what worked or didn't, how's and why's, and the reasoning behind why I have ultimately gone with this arrangement. I'll post here when that is done. It won't be getting finished quickly, though - the past 4 years have seen many changes and different arrangements, as you all can attest to from the partial list of same I have shown here from time to time.

[CapnK]

PS - Yes, I am still recycling old parts that were long since removed from their original locations. The plywood on top of the berth is just a temporary solution. Ultimately, there will be separate access to each individual compartment.

[Tony G]

Captain K

Your sandwich panels keep haunting me. Not in a bad way from your perspective, but in so much as I have this 'overweight' fear stemming from all of the baltic birch I used in my remodel. early on I hedged my bets for strength rather than weight. As time progressed and things continually evolve I sometimes fear the cumulative weight of all the built-ins will have a negative impact on trim, speed and carrying capacity of stores.

So now I'm seriously considering how I should approach the 'revamping' of my remodel. I will be looking at where we can use some sandwich panels to lighten things up a bit. Because there are so few remaining bulkheads and dividers left to go in it will be a challenge. So in your spare time maybe you could peruse the photos of 113's interior and offer up some suggestions.

But! I did manage to find some photos of panels made for use in Baltic Yachts. You know by now that I'm a picture kind of guy.

[CapnK]

Here are some pics of what I came up with for a cheap alternative to those overly-expensive composting heads. I have been using this for several weeks now, and have been very pleased with the result. Works great, and is dirt cheap (no pun intended ). More details @ a thread I started on sailFar to describe it.

Tony - wow, that foam ply construct is just what I was thinking. I don't think I'll have time/money to implement it, but - great illustration, glad to know I'm not totally off base.

Ebb - I'll follow this post up with more of my external chainplate stuff; I don't want to hijack TonyG's thread (more than we did already... ).