Standing Rigging

[Tony G]

Theis
This thread is fleshing-out some good points. I didn't think six hundred is too high assuming 1/4"wire and new turnbuckles. One thing I've learned since jumping into boats is that nothing new is cheap, even the cheap stuff. Because of being in the middle of nowhere I counted on having to do my own rigging via The Rigger's Apprentice and This Old Boat and supplies alone were in the neighborhood of four hundred plus. Of course that price included either norseman or sta-loc terminals all the way around and I don't think a rigger would bother with the added expense with all of that swaging equipment laying around. I can't wait to see how this all ends. Tony G

[Mike Goodwin]

OK ,if no one else will say it I will . Theis , you ordered 6 shrouds and 2 stays , not 8 shrouds .
We must keep the 'salt ' level up on this forum if we are ever going to go pro and take it on the road . Click & Clack , The Tappet Bros. , need a nautical counter on PBS and it could be us if only we can get it all in one sock . Commander Pete has been working too hard on his routine for us to let him down now , so let's not let him down or we wont even be allowed to sail on Lake Wobegon ;>)

[Tony G]

Theis
This thread is fleshing-out some good points. I didn't think six hundred is too high assuming 1/4"wire and new turnbuckles. One thing I've learned since jumping into boats is that nothing new is cheap, even the cheap stuff. Because of being in the middle of nowhere I counted on having to do my own rigging via The Rigger's Apprentice and This Old Boat and supplies alone were in the neighborhood of four hundred plus. Of course that price included either norseman or sta-loc terminals all the way around and I don't think a rigger would bother with the added expense with all of that swaging equipment laying around. I can't wait to see how this all ends. Tony G

[commanderpete]

Salty Mike is keeping an eye on us

[Theis]

I'm really being hauled on the carpet (I think that is the expression - hoping I haven't screwed up again).

Yes, there are two stays and six shrouds. And just a few months ago I would have erred again saying four masthead shrouds and four baby shrouds. I'll bet Bill has something built into this website so that something like that wouldn't pass spell checker when "submitted". It would be rejected just like something over 10K characters is. No one would ever know my blunder and I wouldn't have egg on my face (I was actually just testing y'all.)

Tony: all those wires are 3/16", not 1/4". Does that change your opinion about the price? Norseman and Sta Lok are both more expensive, and apparently significantly so.

Bill: For the next update of the manual, you might want to add the clevis pin size. (although I did notice that those wires that go up the mast were correctly named in the manual - a benefit to those that read). Possibly even something about the 316 v. 304 wire might be of interest.

Perhaps my misnaming the wires is why Brian Toss did not reply. He probably figured I wouldn't know the difference between 316 and cotton clothes line.

[Mike Goodwin]

I'm going with swaged at the top and Norseman at the lower ends , why ;
1) they can be shortened if needed from stretch
2) the Norseman are more waterproof and stronger
3) I hope my upper ends are never in saltwater

[Theis]

I need some help with words from the experts. This question has destroyed my whole day, and threatens Christmas.

Where does the word "shroud" come from? I can't believe they are named after the inventors, Bertram and Hazel Shroud, who dreamed up the idea in 1926.

It is curious that it would only pertain to side stays (Is that true?). I assume the word comes from way back and relates to the square riggers in some fashion, but if so, there must be further limitations on the scope of the word. Why would it also pertain to half stays?

Whoever figures out this one gets ten points on the GoodGuy scale.

[ebb]

Modern convention separates the good guys (that brace the mast) into shrouds and stays. Shroud goes way back to viking ships in describing the ropes that held up the mast. The root word SKRUTH means clothing in Old Norse - probably the cloak or outer garment, the shroud - ie the stuff protecting you from the elements and by extention protecting the ship, the mast of the ship.

Maybe the expression "to dress ship" originally meant to skruth up yer longboat with a proper mast, an upstanding male member.

Stay is a younger word devoid of poetry describing a job of work, while shroud metaphorically describes what it looks like while it is doing it.

You have a staysail because why would you have a shroudsail. Or a guysail for that matter.

[commanderpete]

Way to go ebb. All questions get answered here (in one fashion or another).

What I want to know is...where can we pick up a bottle of Chateau Ebb wine?

[Theis]

Now I can relax and enjoy the holiday season, one upping all those guys that use fancy words like "cheeks", "lazarettes", "sheave", "bow", "rope" and "back end".

I am impressed. My wife couldn't answer that question.

[Mike Goodwin]

I thought their origins were shrouded in mystery !

[ebb]

and their brains clouded in mead

[D. Fox]

Wanted to follow up on your quotes of +/- $500-$800...was that for the rigger to do all the work or for a DIY effort? Thanks,

Dan

[Theis]

All. Everything. I deliver the old ones to them, and they send the new and old back. Right now they are quoting based on the Ariel specs - but the quote and actual charge should be very close, if not identical.

[noeta-112]

Theis and all,

That sounds like a pretty good price! I just started looking into re-rigging and what I've found is the prices are all over the place.
Even considering the DIY approach using sta-lok terminals.
So far as pricing goes. Sta-lok eye terminals for 3/16 wire and 3/8 pins run $21.21 ea. ( That's the lowest price I've found so far)
Sta-lok fork terminals run $26.12 ea.
3/16" ss316 wire rope runs $0.73/ft cut size. (currently waiting for reel price if can be had in 250' length - hope that's enough).

So I figure it'll be about $600 using the orig turnbuckles.