It's easy to point the finger at Interlux or any other bottom paint manufacturer, but let's not get too carried away with this one source of pollution. I mean, do you buy paper products? Plastics? Electricity? All of these are much higher volume and toxicity pollution sources.
Nathan
Dasein, Triton 668
www.dasein668.com
perhaps you take umbrage with the perjorative, Nathan,
for which I have a unfortunate predilection...
But I won't shrink from the point here
which is that these corporations should take the lead in cleaning up the environment by developing and selling the cleanest and least polluting products they possibily can to the general public. Sell it at a reasonable price too.
Those other major polluters you mention, and thousands of others, should damn well clean up their act too. Without being forced to. Without legislation that is always too late. Because it is the right thing to do. Because it can be done.
And I always leave a little finger to point at myself!
Last edited by ebb; 12-28-2005 at 03:56 PM.
All paint is toxic. Even house paint. Bottom paint from what I gather acts as a sort of insecticide. Pound fisherman for years have mixed cayanne pepper powder with thier bottom paint, it works very well for about a year more or less, but it is also toxic. Years ago a company came to wife with a bottom paint product that had cayanne pepper as the active ingrediant; however, my wife who was then President of Seaguard Marine (marine coatings and paints) could not manufacture it or sell it because it was not EPA or government apporved.
Copper seems less toxic than most other metals such as red lead but when you think of it red lead lasted 5 to 10 times longer than copper and was more durable (it is still used in some foreign countries and even the locks on the Panama Canal are still coated with red lead when they need painted. I am in favor of going back to red lead because it lasts longer and may in the long run have a less toxic effect on our waters because less of it is needed over time than copper or tri-butal tin which is now or soon to be outlawed for all uses,is exremely dangerous to all living things and never goes away. Red lead as it very slowly wears off the bottom sinks faster then copper and tri-butyl tin, they stay in the salt water solution longer poisoning , killing or causing mutations and cancer(tri-butal tin) in every life form they come in contact with.
Last edited by Robert Lemasters; 12-29-2005 at 12:30 PM.
Cayenne is an interesting substance. It's one of the nightshade family that my 'alternative' physician has put on my avoid list along with potatoes, tomatoes and eggplant. If folks add it to bottom paint it is for the low grade alkaloid that can cause problems in sesitive mammals. Can assume that the problem is not a whole ecosystem. Suggests that alkaloids might be a way to go if they can be made long lasting and non-accumulative.
Red lead is bad stuff alright. Assume that once it leaves the bottom of the boat it 'protects' it'll keep on killing life in the water and on the bottom. Like TBT and even copper viz the wasted sealife under a marina.
Regular paint and all kinds of coatings 'dry' and becomes relatively inert. But look at the problems old lead paints are still causing, lead paint has no place in the marketplace. Lead has no place in paint. And it is apparent that neither does copper.
If there already exists an environmentally clean bottom paint, it shouild be made available to everyone. If it is just more BS then some other real alternative must be made available. Have to assume that chemists have been working on it. Corporate chemists look for patentable solutions while a small entrepenure group might come up with something imaginative and unique and maybe even natural. Like red pepper in a new form. Or a nifty time release alkaloid extraction.
The problem is that we, when we paint anti-fouling on our pleasure boats, are the source of pollution. Not Pettit and Interlux and the others. That is an extremely uncomfortable position for me to be in, not being a trash out the window kind of guy. And I know I'm the one that will have to pay for the polluters. Municipal and big time polluters are treated preferencially in this country. There's no up-stream polluter law that would allow a group (of boat owners) to sue the maker of a lethal-to-the-environment product. How do you make a paint maker do the right thing? Profit? How much are you willing to pay?
Isn't it time?
Last edited by ebb; 12-29-2005 at 09:54 AM.
I guess its hard to make an environmentally friendly pesticide. Maybe we could train some suckerfish to clean the bottom.
How about just using non-ablative hard paint?
Ebb, are you going to paint over your epoxy/copper bottom? Its so pretty.
http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussi...tid=1944&stc=1
The copper still leaches out of the paint...Originally Posted by commanderpete
Nathan
Dasein, Triton 668
www.dasein668.com
I'm not sure that there is an answer that is easy or inexpensive.I love our country, our citizens, our waters and life. Its one reason I now sail. As everyone knows there is not a single bay, river, lake or creek on the entire east coast from Main to Texas or even east of the Misssissippi that can be safely fished for food or hasn't seen it's native fish and animals driven to extinction, and that is not right by the laws of our land, nature, man or whatever you choose to believe in. These new generations of citizens will never in thier lifetimes get to experience what the rivers, creeks and bays of our youth were like, the kinds and numbers of fish and animals ( ever catch a huge river sturgeon or eaten small Delaware Bay clams raw have a river otter climb aboard your rowboat and eat a mussel) or how clean the waters were, the smell has even changed. Wild productive wetlands are a thing of the past. The views from our boats are now endless shorelines dotted with silly looking, badly built McMansions that look like Disney or Hollywood sets. The views from these eyesores are of polluted, dead or dying waters. However, there may be a way. What if boat yards were city, state or fed owned or supported and had a lift system that splashed your boat when you wanted to go out and put in on the hard when you returned, why not,no need for toxic antifouling bottom paint. It would be far less expensive than the clean-up. What is left of the natural resources of our country will only last so long and the few who have enjoyed or benifited from them will soon be gone also... Sorry about the soapbox. Keep sailing and careing. Saving and restoring these old sailboats also goes a long way for conservation and says a lot about the people who do.
Last edited by Robert Lemasters; 12-29-2005 at 12:22 PM.
Thanks Robert, I thought we were just cheap SOBs
Just kidding. Good sentiments there. Nobody seems to care when a municipality flushes a million gallons of sewage into the water. Then you have the fertilizer runoff too. No surprise there's so much algae.
Damn slime slows my boat down
A boat bottom only fouls when it is not moving , so go sailing more .
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