safe bottom paint time

[ebb]

Along with the ethical problem of dumping bilge and greywater overboard is the looming problem of toxic bottom paint.

A great gift to the environment would be a slick teflon or silicon or silicate coating that would keep barnacles and weed at bay, or in the bay. I hope California takes the lead again, as the state did with VOC solvent coatings,

and ban soft and hard copper bottom paints.

Then corporate chemist$ will be forced to come up with clean and reliable alternatives like the waterbourn coatings in the market now.

I personally feel that sloughing copper bottoms should be outlawed immediately. That would send a shock wave into the industry.

It is completely unlikely that the feds would take the lead to fund the search for a non-toxic bottom coating and use it on every one of their ships. The USNavy is a major polluter. I believe any ship over 80' (freighters and cruiseships and aluminum boats) can still use TBT, a long lasting kill everything biocide that has entered the whole marine food chain. It's accumulative, once any living thing picks it up (that oyster you just et!) you gets it forever.
We can't eat the fish in SFBay and we've destroyed much of the spawning areas. Birds and bottom dwellers have been grossly affected as well.
The changes happened relatively slowly and therefor have become acceptable. Isn't that how it happens?
You know, our short term memory makes the negative changes inevitable.

Why not a silicate? An innocuous mineral coating that is composed of mineral flakes that fall off in a controlled uniform fashion. Evidently it's the marine insurance business that insists that coatings last at least five years. That drives the paint industry to invent very deadly products. Imco these jerks have the wrong attitude.

You hear of something, let us know, ok?
HNY2006

[ebb]

Here is a more literate better organised view of this subject by somebody you can trust:

http://www.sailnet.com/collections/a...eid=caseyd0048

He's right: we can't legislate ETHICAL behavior into corporate america.

Interbucks has a non-toxic bottom paint called Veridian (?). But it's too pricey. Has to be 'professionally' applied. A crock. A blatant ploy to keep the price high.

Did it occur to them to SELL IT AT THE SAME DAMN PRICE AS TRINIDAD??

I mean if Interclucks truly was responsibly committed to improving the environment...? well, the point would be to get people to buy the stuff and use it - continue to use it. Right?
Might start a trend and the price would drop naturally due to volume. Whoa, what an idea...

They have to live with the mess they created in the first place. It's OUR CONTINUING MESS, and our children's mess. In fact they seem to be calling attention to their unethecal mindset by not offering their alternative (and no doubt patented) environmental product at a decent price. Intersucks!

Shucks, when you are big and powerful you don't have tp be responsible, just sincere.

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Gotta get some innermarina rap groups to get up some nasty baggy rimes. The blues is too much like music. We need to embarrass these buzzards now!

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FYI
Interlux, maker of Intersleek (formerly Veridian?), an untouchable antifouling as far as we are concerned, has been gobbled up by a global chemical corp called Akzo Nobel.
Their companies make industrial, powder, automotive, marine and Sikkens coatings. They call themselves "a respected member of society". When you think of it a rather insipid way of publically describing themselves. I don't see why any special trust or dispensation should be given to this megalosorb. But they do business in countries with vastly superior environmental records than the USA. One can only hope it has an effect here!

[dasein668]

It's easy to point the finger at Interlux or any other bottom paint manufacturer, but let's not get too carried away with this one source of pollution. I mean, do you buy paper products? Plastics? Electricity? All of these are much higher volume and toxicity pollution sources.

[ebb]

perhaps you take umbrage with the perjorative, Nathan,
for which I have a unfortunate predilection...
But I won't shrink from the point here
which is that these corporations should take the lead in cleaning up the environment by developing and selling the cleanest and least polluting products they possibily can to the general public. Sell it at a reasonable price too.

Those other major polluters you mention, and thousands of others, should damn well clean up their act too. Without being forced to. Without legislation that is always too late. Because it is the right thing to do. Because it can be done.

And I always leave a little finger to point at myself!

[Robert Lemasters]

All paint is toxic. Even house paint. Bottom paint from what I gather acts as a sort of insecticide. Pound fisherman for years have mixed cayanne pepper powder with thier bottom paint, it works very well for about a year more or less, but it is also toxic. Years ago a company came to wife with a bottom paint product that had cayanne pepper as the active ingrediant; however, my wife who was then President of Seaguard Marine (marine coatings and paints) could not manufacture it or sell it because it was not EPA or government apporved.
Copper seems less toxic than most other metals such as red lead but when you think of it red lead lasted 5 to 10 times longer than copper and was more durable (it is still used in some foreign countries and even the locks on the Panama Canal are still coated with red lead when they need painted. I am in favor of going back to red lead because it lasts longer and may in the long run have a less toxic effect on our waters because less of it is needed over time than copper or tri-butal tin which is now or soon to be outlawed for all uses,is exremely dangerous to all living things and never goes away. Red lead as it very slowly wears off the bottom sinks faster then copper and tri-butyl tin, they stay in the salt water solution longer poisoning , killing or causing mutations and cancer(tri-butal tin) in every life form they come in contact with.

[ebb]

Cayenne is an interesting substance. It's one of the nightshade family that my 'alternative' physician has put on my avoid list along with potatoes, tomatoes and eggplant. If folks add it to bottom paint it is for the low grade alkaloid that can cause problems in sesitive mammals. Can assume that the problem is not a whole ecosystem. Suggests that alkaloids might be a way to go if they can be made long lasting and non-accumulative.

Red lead is bad stuff alright. Assume that once it leaves the bottom of the boat it 'protects' it'll keep on killing life in the water and on the bottom. Like TBT and even copper viz the wasted sealife under a marina.

Regular paint and all kinds of coatings 'dry' and becomes relatively inert. But look at the problems old lead paints are still causing, lead paint has no place in the marketplace. Lead has no place in paint. And it is apparent that neither does copper.

If there already exists an environmentally clean bottom paint, it shouild be made available to everyone. If it is just more BS then some other real alternative must be made available. Have to assume that chemists have been working on it. Corporate chemists look for patentable solutions while a small entrepenure group might come up with something imaginative and unique and maybe even natural. Like red pepper in a new form. Or a nifty time release alkaloid extraction.

The problem is that we, when we paint anti-fouling on our pleasure boats, are the source of pollution. Not Pettit and Interlux and the others. That is an extremely uncomfortable position for me to be in, not being a trash out the window kind of guy. And I know I'm the one that will have to pay for the polluters. Municipal and big time polluters are treated preferencially in this country. There's no up-stream polluter law that would allow a group (of boat owners) to sue the maker of a lethal-to-the-environment product. How do you make a paint maker do the right thing? Profit? How much are you willing to pay?

Isn't it time?