Does anyone have a picture of what the originals look like? Exact dimensions, whether they were tongue-in-groove, etc.?
Any suggestions or insight are very welcome.
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Does anyone have a picture of what the originals look like? Exact dimensions, whether they were tongue-in-groove, etc.?
Any suggestions or insight are very welcome.
Stop by my house and you can take a look at mine, make some tracings.
They're originals, plywood with veneer as far as I can tell.
They're getting a few coats of varnish right now
Cool - where are you? Send me a private message, if you can. I just happen to be at my parents' home this week taking care of a few things....
Hi. Believe 338's were original too. But the three equally sized pieces are 3/4" solid mahogany with a fat spline-filled dado on the sliding edges.
Middle horizontal edges have a simple 1/2" lap for shedding water.
The splines are 5/16" wide and are 3/4" deep. These glued-in splines must have helped keep the solid boards from warping, kept the boards from splitting, and long grain made a smoother edge for sliding. It's a nice simple trick that's lasted for decades. :cool:
I took a look at the boards, that sounds right I think.
Sent you a private message there Cap'n Keith.
A companionway with those swinging doors is pretty neat too.
Here's a shot of doors we made in shop class. Curved tops were fun!
Looking for some hardware, latch?? Small handles? Ideas? A way to secure the hatch? Need to go check out some boats i guess. I'm all alone, no one to race with.
Also looking for a way to hang an anchor on the pulpit. Saw a boat that had theirs in a couple simple brackets hanging that way, easy to deploy. Can't find brackets. Help?
Fantastic doors Bill.
So, I see you plan to mount them outside of the grooved dropboard slot. Here's an idea for locking it up that might lead on to something.
How about a separate made up astragal of stainless that would drop into a slot in front of the two doors in the threshold and rise above the doors with the traditional horizontal slot that takes the tongue for the hatch lock? It could be just a flat bar of 1/8" stuff, or it could have a stub out on the back that would fit between the doors to further stablize them. A short legged 'T' in section.
This would be a separate piece just for locking up when away.
You'ld probably have to add a sliding bolt inside to keep the hatch from sliding open. So it would be harder to force open.
Willie,
Nobody ever turned out something like that in any shop class I've been in! Hoochie mama I like that!
113 had a set of swinging doors on her when I picked her up. There were flat backed barrel bolts on one door that pinned into the threshold/sill on the bottom and one that pinned into a hardwood strip on the sliding hatch on the top. The other door had a keyed lockset (mounted from the inside of course) that had a dead bolt that shot into the pinned door. From the outside all you saw was the 3/4" brass key hole.
(still drooling)
Those doors look great - I like the lines... There's a good design in the Manual that this organization puts together as well. Any chance you've got measurements or a schematic for a pretty thing like that?
THis year, we're going to do basic dropboards because we've got so much going on, but I'd love to do companionway doors for next year, I think.
ah, shucks guys, it's just wood. ;)
I put them outside the grooves for the boards, didn't want to loose that option. And in practice (sailing) i don't really know that i like the doors. Open, they're kinda in the way of things, like halyards that run back, depthsounder, etc. So they're kinda just for show. I still slide in a piece of plexiglass behind them, and secure the hatch through a slot in it. Works ok. And they're on take apart hinges, so they go below most of the time. It was a fun project though, and they are beautiful.
As far as measurements/schematics?? No, just have your local 4yr. old hold a piece of cardboard up to the c/way with you inside with a pencil. Go from there. Nothing to it. ;)
I remember the "good old days" when my son was young and could easily climb inside the cockpit lockers to help secure deck fasteners, find dropped stuff or just hide out. I'm small enough to squeze in, but it's getting real difficult to get back out. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by willie
Don't klnow if this helps, but since you asked and I had the camera here is one.
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Does anyone have a picture of what the originals look like?
I purchased a Pearson Ariel just over two weeks ago a fair distance from where I live in Toronto. There are no washboards or anything for the boat and I need to make something up for my next visit which will be in a few days time. I want to be able to leave things in the boat which would be nice. At present I have a piece of very thin ply that a freind cut out in haist to keep most of the rain out. The wheather has been really all over the place as of late. Over the last two weeks or so I have been going through this site on a full time basis and this site was the big deciding factor in purchasing the boat. I've worked on and restored many a boat. Wood, steel, and fiberglass. Cabin cruisers, sailboats, ans tenders. I must say I would never have thought that I would come across an owners site like this. I'm amazed. I thought I was prity knowledgable when it comes to anything about boats and I've been blown away. It is great to see so much debate and trading of ideas and info. The boat I've gone and bought is a major fixer upper. I think almost every boat I've bought has been a project and I think this one takes the cake with the need for recoring and the fact that the gelcoat on the deck is flaking off. I enjoy working on boats as much as I enjoy sailing and cruising. The plan for this one is to fix it up and take it South for this up comming winter. Bahamas and maybe Cuba. Recently I bought charts off a friend covering the entir Eastern Seaboard of the US and beyond to the Pacific, and more covering a good deal of Europe. Was supposed to go last fall on a friends boat with another mate and the owner bailed last minute. Girlfriend is just in. Please. Need info for making companionway slide washboards. Even a one peicer for now so I can lock up. Leaving soon for intensive restoration (two weeks) far from home so boat can go in water and brought back to T.O. I've never seen so many through hulls, and I'm a little worried about the rudder. The info I have is that the boat has been out of the water for a year and a half. The rudder feels like it isn't very strong on the post. There is some glass work on it in places. Will the wood take up and there is nothing to worry about or should I be taking it apart and glassing it proper? Thanks to all. James Lake Ontario. Toronto Canada. Boat origionaly hailed out of Michigan on Lake Erie. #3 something. Forget now.
Welcome to the group, James.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesLakeOnt
I looked, but seem to have misplaced the single acrylic sheet I used to replace the main hatch's "washboards" (hatchboards?). If no one else replies, I'll get the measurements Thursday or Friday. As for the rudder, unless it's really loose on the shaft, try it in the water first. The wood usually swells and things tighten up nicely. For more info, search on "rudder" using the button at the top of the page.
Don't think you have hull #3. We show that boat as belonging to Keith Morgenstern in Virginia.
Please use the form on the home page to register your Ariel. Or, E-mail me the information [rphelon [at] juno (dot) com]
Bill Phelon, Secretary
Capt.,
My compliments on your fine purchase.
I have a standby board that is used off season or when I need to freshen up the varnish on the three boards. It is 5/8 plywood, shaped sort of like a tombstone. It is 20 3/4 inches wide, 23 3/8 in. high to the top of the crown and 22 1/2 in. high at the shoulders. Fits like a glove. Even cut in a slot for the lock tang.
Welcome aboard, skipper.
Dan
Hull number is 3*@#. Not hull number 3. 351 or around there. Having the boat moved to StCathrines on the Southern shore of Lake Ontario. Keep it on the hard for a few day to get it ready for the water. Hope the rudder will be okay. I think it will be having past experience with wooded boats. Hate for the thing to rip off while out in a good breeze. Let you al know what the number is when I see it next. Have had three visits... long drive. Last time rented car to out and mkae payment in full and get the interior a bit cleaner. My luck the temp was below 4C. Next day it was above 18C and I was home pinning away. Things will come together soon. They always do. Thanks again. Still need the measurements for the companionway drop board. Lots of work to be done. Looking forward to it all. When I'm done I plan on having a boat that is better then what the designer had in mind. I will have to post pics. With the help of this owner site and my own past experience both commercial and pleasure I plan on comming up with something special. I'm hoping for lots of input from fellow sister vessel owners with lots of theory and experience. I've been planning for the last couple of weeks with research mostly on this site and with soem other sources like books, and other sites. Gotta love this site. I am sold on the Pearson Ariel. What gets me is I've neard of one prior to comming across the one for sale which I bought as is. It sure is the perfect boat for me at the present. I'm blown away by th boat and the owner site. It is all something terrific. These boats are special. Thanks... James
Thanks for the quick reply. Very much obliged. Will try that. Carpenter friend has offered to throw that together for me. Will make a worl of difference for me. Renting cars and going back and forth is expensive. Looking forward to having the boat moved to a Port Dalhousie, Lake Ontario in the next few days so I can begin intensive work. I have lots of plans for the boat after the main structural problems are dealt with such as a recore of all the decks. I bacame used to owning steel boats with the last two being HO-28's. Looking forward to working with fiberglass again. Obviously retaining structural strenght is more important with fiberglass boats. I love a challenge and the rewards that come with a job done right that involves advance research and grey matter gymnastics and not just brute strenght. Thanks again to all. I have found this site more informative then all the books I've ever read.
What is it with you and Frank, the other "Can Do" Canadian?
You guys think you can just come down here and rip apart a boat and put her back together in a few weeks, better than new?
No Way. That's not how we do things. You have to spend months and years moaning, kvetching, cursing your fate. One step up, two steps back. Get it right on the third try.
Please be guided accordingly.
I've spent the last ten yers restoring wood, steel, and fiberglass boats, and have been a live-a-board for most of those years in England and Canada year round. I've even patched up the odd rubber boat. The key to getting the work done in a timely manner is first off having the time, second planning with hours of research involved (which this site is great for as are many books out there. I spent three years in the army as a supply tech. When it comes to organization and planning the key is strategy and knowing that long range planning and strategy are seperate things in themselves. One must be strategicaly focused. Whatever can go wrong will go given the circumstances. Planning and here and now strategy must be based on this. What I realy love about this site is the are the competing points of view on any given aspect relating to any facet of the boat. This by far helps with Strategy formation... present ideas, thought about, discussed, and then acted upon. Assessing effectiveness is the key to strategic thinking. There is nothing better then assessing effectiveness and organization. All part of the effort to set strategy. What is the amazing about this site is that critical questions are raised in respose to many of the threads.
Clear definition of strategy... Why, why, why. Critical questions. Organizing information, materials and so on. How to get there? Long range thinking.
One needs momentum and direction to properly organize and keep on track. If one does not have a clear cut strategy it's useless. One also needs to be able to reassess strategy periodicaly as need be. All efforts need to be set stratigicaly and based as such. During the implimentation of strategy things do tend to arise such as threats and oppertunities, which can be avoided or pursued. With Organization of any project it is always best if possible to keep up momentum. This is something I learned in the army. Momentum is a powerful asset and should be kept fine tuned and at the readt. It is an important tool. When restoring a boat in any condition it is very important that you look after yourself and anyone is helping. Water for the body is the best fuel. Drink lots to keep going. Very few people relize that water is in fact more important then food. To some it may not seem that way because of the types of food and other liquides they put in their bodies. What actualy happens is that their bodies are ridding toxins with the help of the water and it can slow them down, effect their mental state and result in a mess. Having worked in a boat yard and crewing on cruise ships I can say that Spirits/ booze and boat restoration don't mix. I've seen very large expensive boats suffer terrible structural damage with a drunk boatyard owner operating the travel lift. When fiberglass hlls have problems in travel lifts it sound like bones breaking. Not good. I have to tend to a friend who is sick and must go. I w anoter thread later this evening. Please feel free to take the piss. I have not yet fully communicated my point. PS: the fact that the Pearson Ariel is missing mny features of a true blue water boat leads me to believe either the producer ever really intended the vessel for true off-shore work or the boats where made cutting corners, leaving things like gaskets up to the owner(s) if they need such modification to make the boat safe with the lockerd secure.
By the way the boat is being moved on Monday to a lake side. currently it is land locked sat in the middel of no where with several other boats waiting to be launched, I have decided on one week on the hard at the marina to prep the boat. If you do see HORIZON MARINER out there ( will bne sailing down South through ther Intracoastal waterway for he best part in the Fall to escape another brutal Canadian winter. I've already sold my igloo and am all ready for when the bpat is ready. Any salt water suggestions would be much apprieciated. Thanks to all on this incredblesite.
Will add another thread later. I'm addicated. The pearson Ariel is a wounderful boat. I'm not going to spare any tiem or what little money I have making it a custome Areil.
Point taken sir, after all that water, I think I shall need to. http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussi...es/biggrin.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesLakeOnt
James,
Welcome. You shall fit right in here sir. You are among kin(dred).. http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussi...ies/tongue.gif
I agree, I think it was the mix of the business model and the genus of Alberg.Quote:
PS: the fact that the Pearson Ariel is missing mny features of a true blue water boat leads me to believe either the producer ever really intended the vessel for true off-shore work or the boats where made cutting corners, leaving things like gaskets up to the owner(s) if they need such modification to make the boat safe with the lockerd secure.
Could not agree more. http://www.pearsonariel.org/discussi...lies/smile.gifQuote:
Thanks to all on this incredblesite...... I'm addicated. The pearson Ariel is a wounderful boat.
Damn! No beer?
Now I'm really gonna moan