rudder shoe - heel fitting
George,
See google>
triton: Message: Re: Rudder Shoe
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If it comes up, there is a post from the guy who made extra castings (I believe) - may answer some of your questions.
Does mention a measured drawing in the PearsonAireil/Commander Manual that
states the rudder shoe's multi model use: "Alberg Ariel - Vanguard - Coaster" with Coaster added in a later hand. [Alberg 35 is NOT mentioned on the 'rudder shoe' drawing on page 171 in the Aiel/Commander Manual.]
Certainly, the bearing flange may have to be milled for a slightly different angle if the 'keel post' is at a different angle than the Ariel/Commander.
The rudder shoe on A-338 was in sorry shape for various reasons.
It was removed, sides straighten, and bondo/sculpted into a slightly beefier and symetrical version of the original.
It was then cast at a Richmond CA foundry in silicon bronze.
And this beefed up version subsequentlly dapped back onto Ariel's badly molded fiberglass keel heel - that also had to be rebuilt because they didn't get the fiberglass stuffed deep enough into the very end of the keel mold where the rudder shoe is mounted!
The casting is nothing like the humongous casting shown in the side by side photos above.
It is slightly larger in overall width, but imco can be easily faired into the hull. As it was on A-338.
Measuring off the casting mold (which is the slightly modifield heel fitting):
OA 11 3/8"
Width at widest point on top 3 1/4"
Inside width at top 2 3/4"
Bearing surface of flange the rudder shaft engages is 2 1/8" X 2 1/8"
This then describes the taper of the fitting on top.
The hole for the shaft is not drilled into the mold - nor are the side holes for the pins.
The angle of the flange off the straight tops of the fitting is 144 degrees.
This angle was not changed in the modification.
Obviously this flange is at right angle to the keel post when installed correctly.
This is the flange that may have different apparent angles on different Alberg keels than those mentioned.
[It would be no problem on a casting mold to add a small angle wedge if needed to correct the flange angle to 90degrees if the keel angle is different than those stated on the drawing for the Ariel/Commander, Vanguard and Coaster.]
Larger Alberg models, like the Alberg 35, may have proportionately larger rudder shoes.
GOOD LUCK!
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* interesting that the Tritons I've seen do not have a rudder shoe.
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The oversize cast rudder shoe in the above photos looks rather crude -
and imco the material looks more like brass than bronze.
I think it is better to have a new shoe cast in a known material.
My absolute choice is silicone bronze 655.
Everdur 655 bronze comes in plate form and can easily be welded.
It may be possible to have a pretty good rudder shoe fabricated from this bronze in a metal shop.
photos Alberg 35 rudder shoe
I punched >aberg 35 rudder shoe< into google.
Went to 'images' where pearsonariel.org thumbnails from various threads from the discussion pages are evident. Nothing here obviously on the Alberg 35.
however....
On this first page of thumbnai are three labeled
alberg 35 gallery spot (46 240X180 -23K -jpg.
web site is
fiveprime.org
The other two thumbnails are 'Cockpit hole' and 'primed cockpit'
When you cursor the pic you get three disorganized pages of Flickr photos.
No text of any sort I can find.
But you can locate 5 or six RUDDER SHOE photos
and a rebuild of the keel heel.
Looks like it could be one of our boats, same shoe, same problem. But same size"? That is not known.
another way in to the same photos: google> My Sailboat Project - a set on flickr
To my knowledge this is the only online photo collection of an Alberg 35 restoration.
And the only photos of the rudder shoe/keel restoration.
There is a rudimentary A35.org site.
There may be plans available (with measured drawings?) at the Peabody Essex Museum in Salem, MA.
Wanting to purchase new rudder shoe for ceili
Bill,
Can you provide me Fred's updated contact info, including phone and email? I'm referring to post #31 and of the nicely finished (machined) shoe he has created.
Looking to purchase one for Ceili.
Thank you,
Chance
Silicon bronze rudder shoe
Just want to let those who may be interested:
New silicon bronze (Herculoy) rudder shoe
Cost: $325.00 (includes machine work)
This is fast moving. Foundry will have the pattern first part of this coming week, and is scheduled for casting.
If you desire to purchase one, your intentions and commitment to purchase is needed this weekend.
Thanks