Ebb had it and I didn't even realize it
204.220.138.252/newspics/charts/907windows.pdf
"Magnolia" is the boat on the cover of "Good Old Boat".
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Ebb had it and I didn't even realize it
204.220.138.252/newspics/charts/907windows.pdf
"Magnolia" is the boat on the cover of "Good Old Boat".
What did the writer of the article say? ',,,those camper trailer windows'. He describes well his reasons for the change over, and I'm almost convinced.
I've only seen this on the moniter here and the picture they had of the result looked like a smudge. If you wanted to drive your point home you'ld have befor and after shots.
An interior after shot should have headed the story. You know: smug first mate and a couple mugs of tea, and the inner passage thru the ports.
So I'm not convinced the escape hatch captain nemo submarine queen mary first class cabin look is for me and #338. I think the change over would end up rather depressing. And claustrophobic.
Mike,
How were you planning on installing the newer, smaller portlights in the main cabin?
Without it, it would be easy enough to grind the fiberglass, cover the existing holes, etc..., but how would you do that with the fiberglass cabin liner in the way?
I'm considering the same change to the windows, but have realized that the cabin liner is going to be an issue with this project.
The alternative would be to proceed as Steve has suggested, and put an opening portlight in the bigger window.
Brent
Ah grasshopper ,
Old FG worker trick . A smooth ,waxed & released panel is forced against liner from the inside . Gelcoat is applied from the other side ( thru window holes ) , then glass set in vinylester resin then core ( if needed ) then more glass , then a layer of glass and mat over the cabinside overlapping the old ports by a good margin . Fair and fill the outside , go inside and pull the board off and the surface should flow together nicely with a little sanding and buffing , then repaint the liner the flavor of the day !
Cut new window holes and it looks like it was made that way . Thats the beauty of fiberglass , the ugly is the itching !
The frames of the original forward opening ports are what kind of metal?
Opening ports were aluminum, just as were the large frames.
So we treat the cabin and liner as one piece?
How do we fair the outside? I assumed that we would put the waxed panel on the outside and started the gelcoat from the inside. However, if I did that, how would I make the inside fair?
Please Master, help me out of this quandry :-(
Some time ago (days, weeks--not sure), I was driving by Green Pond here in Falmouth when I noticed a boat moored in the harbor. There are probably about 20-30 boats moored there, so it is unusual for a particular boat to catch one's eye, unless of course, there is some sort of recognition going on.
And there was, since this particular vessel had that distinctive raised cabin & those "camper trailer windows". I'm not sure if it is an Ariel, a Bristol, etc.; I'm going to try to catch a picture of it (the last time I drove by, it was not there). It is, however, definitely an Alberg design.
Later, I saw the same boat out in Vineyard Sound, leaning over under main & jib. Again, it was easily identifiable because of the raised cabin & those "camper trailer windows".
The aluminum frames on #66 are in poor shape. One is cracked; another broken. I'll have to replace them. After pricing out some nice bronze opening ports, I've decided it would probably be more cost-effective (and less work) to go with the Rostand frames with tinted acrylic or lexan. For better ventilation, I'm looking into the previously presented idea of using a smaller, 4x10 black-framed plastic portlight bedded within one or more of the larger windows.
But aside from the cost, I have to admit that my discovery of an Alberg design in my backyard (and Janice's & Ebb's comments) has helped to convince me that changing the "signature" of the Ariel may not be such a good thing after all, since I discovered this particular vessel because of that distinctive look.
So, #66 will be keeping those "camper trailer windows" and I'll find another way to ventilate the cabin.
Ebb, I'm all for trying to get a bulk purchase discount on those frames. Anyone else?
Hello Brent, I'm usually surfing the wave here of what's current, so I don't know how far back the infothread goes on Rostand. My understanding is that he is getting out of the marine (window/port) side of his business. Mike said he wanted $800 plus for the frames,ie bronze, unfinished. Meaning you'd have to do the polishing, I suppose the drilling and tapping of the machine screw holes, and the chroming if you were going to do that.
$800 is outrageous. Plus the attitude I surmise here. I'd have confidence in an outfit that was eager to provide a decent product at a decent price and wasn't castrating part or all of his business. I'm thinking you could take the best of each of the pairs (4 pieces) to a bronze foundry to see what they would charge. I haven't done it because the aluminum is curved and I just don't want to mess with them. And my frames aren't all that decrepid. I met a guy who is setup to weld aluminum and understands the material, I'm taking them to him for filling of extra fastening holes that DFOs put in and advice on pitting, maybe it can be filled or polished out.
Talked with an aluminum anodizer who said by far the best coating for aluminum is powder coating. Which comes in every color. So when I get to it, the process will be to clean and repair the frames, take them to the P.C. who will beadblast and etch and bake on a bronzecolor coating. And that will be after I drill matching holes thru corresponding inside/outside frames so the holes are coated against the fasteners I'll be using I still have to fuss to see if the Jim Baldwin Method will work on 338.
The curve of the cabin side to be considered viz the light which must be polycarbonate imho. hope some of these >opinions< help with your decision
PS Spartan (another eccentric company - you have to send for their catalog - not on the net) has a reasonable facsimile of the nice rounded opening ports in bronze, I ordered about a month ago and haven't received "because they have to be assembled." They don't come in chrome. They cost. but if they work right and drain ok imho the bucks are probably worth it.
Ebb,
Good advice. I especially like the idea of powder coating the existing frames. I am curious about the costs you uncovered for this.
I am already in need of an aluminum welder (there is a good-sized crack in my masthead casting), so going the extra mile and having the window frames mended & coated might be a better idea than forking out the $800. If it lasts and it looks like bronze, that is good enough for me
:)
Do you have the address/phone for the folks at PS Spartan?
An inexpensive alternative to the bronze or aluminum frame is to use plastic GO Windows. They come complete with the "glass" installed. (Ariels 111 and 143 have used them. See pp. 66 - 69 in the manual.)
Mark Plastics, the window producer, has the window design on file. As I recall, they were about $120 each. There was a newlsetter article about the Go Windows and the Triton Web site published details. They may still be there someplace.
Mark Plastics - Go Windows
369 East Harrison Street, Unit G
Corona, CA 91719
(909) 735-7705
www.robinhoodyachts.com (reallytooweird)
1/800/325-3287 or 207/371-2542
A phone call will get you a catalog. It's all traditional stuff. They build a 40' Alberg cutter (looks like it even has a bit of a bowsprit and a clubfooted staysail - probably has a hotub too) for the steak & scotch boys that I would love to have a ride on. Or inherit.
Here's the Alberg that caught my eye. Looks like an A30, but I may be mistaken. In any case, she sticks out in the anchorage; virtually every other boat is white-hulled, either sailboats with a taller rig, higher freeboard and/or a boxy cabin with tiny portlights, or motorboats.
Here's another shot...
That appears to be a Rhodes Ranger--a 29 footer that came out shortly after the Triton. As the name implies, it's a Phillip Rhodes design...note the trademark sheerline.
Click this link to see a photo of another Ranger.
http://nimbus.temple.edu/~bstavis/ranger.jpg
Tim